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Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Conflict in Bread Givers
Explore one of the major differences from the novel between the Old World and the New - between tradition and individuality. What is different about their value systems?
Generations have changed, so have the traditions. The way my great grandparents lived or even my grandparents lived is a lot different from the way i live now. My grandparents married young, in their early twenties. Now, people are getting hitched at the age of 50 and older. The generations in the past also acted differently around people, had a lot more manners, and approached social gatherings a little differently then we do today. Like back then women weren’t allowed to be friends with married men or maybe just not talk to them. Now, women can basically do what ever they want without their intensions being criticized or taken the wrong way. Today our value system is still generally the same, the new generation just uses it different way you could say.
There are a few changes from the two worlds that the mother, mostly, had to go through. First off, she was much richer. The family is obviously not rich. So the mother had to go through a change of not living like she used to. Also, tradition in the new world is not as important as the old. Now, you need to work or you will be on the streets or in a small house like the family is. The father obviously doesn't agree with that and practices his beliefs and doesn't work, so the family is living in a small apartment. Tradition was so big in the old world that the mothers father didn't want reassurance that her daughter was taken care of, he wanted someone that wanted to learn. He Denied many, many rich men and instead married his daughter to someone who wanted to be a holly man. The idea of America has probably changed greatly for the family too. Instead of thinking that you can do anything and be rich and have golden pots and pans, you need to work and get money in order to have that. The family definatly didn't expect that when they came, maybe if they had, the father would have left the books and brought more important things over.
when you look at the differences from the old world and the new, there seems to be more then readers would expect. Currently, for this family, some traditions could seem somewhat hard to follow due to the fact they are not wealthy. Following traditions back then were more popular and were very common between families. Individuality also differed from the old world and new. During the new world, you would need money to be different and have a good job. In the old world, it was easier to find jobs therefore individuality came easier as well. In the Bread givers, their family probably did not realize or expect that it would be this hard to get money. In many ways the old world seems as if it was easier but this family is now living in the new world and they need to work hard in order to keep the family living peacefully together.
In the novel, we see that the systems and values from the old world differ from the systems and values of the new world. In the old world, it was a tradition that the man asks the father for permission marry their daughter. Not only that, but the women typically had dowries to give to the groom. These old world traditions differ from the traditions of basing relationships off of love that we have today. There is a difference in tradition between the old world and the new world. A major difference, although this does not allpy to all of the old world, from the novel between the old world and the new world is individuality and having differnt values. For example, in the book the father does not want Bessie to get married and leave him because she bears the burden. Also, he denined a rich man from marrying masha because he wasn't holy. This shows that the father has very religious values. People of the old world had many different religious values because this was a time that different ethnicities came to America and everyone differnt religions.
One major thing that makes the Old world and new world seem different that is showed in bread givers is that in the old world, people got married because of money. they used dowries and often were interested in marrying wealthy people who they had never even met before or did not know well. In a way, they saw it as more of an ecomnomic thing that was neccesary back than. This does not happen anymore. Back at the time when the Breadgivers is set, people did not have the same individuality and so therefore did not choose who they married.
There are a couple of differences from the novel between the old world and the New- between tradition and individuality. An example would be for instance that in the early 1900s it was tradition to consent to your father and ask for his permission when you wanted to marry a person. Also in the early 1900s women had no individuality and were only supposed to listen to their family’s decision and opinion and were limited to decision-making, as evident in “Bread Givers.” When Mashah had chosen to marry Jacob, a piano-player her father had subjected against her idea because he stated that anyone who played the piano during the Sabbath was a fool. Instead, he later brought a diamond dealer into their house for her to be engaged with. This shows that in the Old world women were supposed to marry for reasons such as money, relationships, and tradition instead of affection. Also when they had married they lost their rights and independence. A difference in there value systems is that the money and business was one of the reasons why people married. People married other people for reasons such as making the family rich and wealthy, instead of reasons such as love.
In the book the people from the old world have very different values from the people in the new world. In the old world religion is very important, not as much in the new world. Today you are lucky if you can get people to go to suncay church service once a week. Another important thing is marriage, the family used to decide who a girl or boy married by arranging it for them. Now they get married much older, and decide who they marry themselves. If this idea was presented int he time the book is talking about the father might have a heart attack. But as time goes on values and morals change.
I fell like now a days tradition is not nearly as important as it use to be. Back then people got picked to marry each pther by there own parents which isn't very fun because you never got to choose the one you ha dloved like in the novel the bread givers. Now in our generation more people in fact almost everyone marries the one they love and dont have there parents choose for them. And alot of it had to do with religion back then. Now people are much more loosely wich how religion works. I dont belive at least in the United States people get to pick and choose who they are going to spend the rest of there life with. Which makes people more happy even though the devorce rate had gone up. I still dont belive that people like to have there parents choose who they marry. You parents may have something to say about it but in the end you choose.
A lot has changed over the years whether we like it (or our parents like it) or not. However we can look at it in the persective of, technology has been modifyed, medicines have been improved but the way we have gone throughout our daily lives has changed but not nessesarily for the better. Life if more complicated now then it was 100, 50 even 20 years ago. Years ago your life was chosen for you, there were no tough choices to make your parents chose them for you. Now I dont necessarily think it is a change of parenting but a change of the amount of responsibility that has been given to the people, especially children like Sara and her siblings. I think that our country is getting used to the idea of have tones of responsibility placed on us. it might take a few years but I believe that soon, with time, things will take a turn for the better.
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Generations have changed, so have the traditions. The way my great grandparents lived or even my grandparents lived is a lot different from the way i live now. My grandparents married young, in their early twenties. Now, people are getting hitched at the age of 50 and older. The generations in the past also acted differently around people, had a lot more manners, and approached social gatherings a little differently then we do today. Like back then women weren’t allowed to be friends with married men or maybe just not talk to them. Now, women can basically do what ever they want without their intensions being criticized or taken the wrong way. Today our value system is still generally the same, the new generation just uses it different way you could say.
There are a few changes from the two worlds that the mother, mostly, had to go through. First off, she was much richer. The family is obviously not rich. So the mother had to go through a change of not living like she used to. Also, tradition in the new world is not as important as the old. Now, you need to work or you will be on the streets or in a small house like the family is. The father obviously doesn't agree with that and practices his beliefs and doesn't work, so the family is living in a small apartment. Tradition was so big in the old world that the mothers father didn't want reassurance that her daughter was taken care of, he wanted someone that wanted to learn. He Denied many, many rich men and instead married his daughter to someone who wanted to be a holly man. The idea of America has probably changed greatly for the family too. Instead of thinking that you can do anything and be rich and have golden pots and pans, you need to work and get money in order to have that. The family definatly didn't expect that when they came, maybe if they had, the father would have left the books and brought more important things over.
when you look at the differences from the old world and the new, there seems to be more then readers would expect. Currently, for this family, some traditions could seem somewhat hard to follow due to the fact they are not wealthy. Following traditions back then were more popular and were very common between families. Individuality also differed from the old world and new. During the new world, you would need money to be different and have a good job. In the old world, it was easier to find jobs therefore individuality came easier as well. In the Bread givers, their family probably did not realize or expect that it would be this hard to get money. In many ways the old world seems as if it was easier but this family is now living in the new world and they need to work hard in order to keep the family living peacefully together.
In the novel, we see that the systems and values from the old world differ from the systems and values of the new world. In the old world, it was a tradition that the man asks the father for permission marry their daughter. Not only that, but the women typically had dowries to give to the groom. These old world traditions differ from the traditions of basing relationships off of love that we have today. There is a difference in tradition between the old world and the new world. A major difference, although this does not allpy to all of the old world, from the novel between the old world and the new world is individuality and having differnt values. For example, in the book the father does not want Bessie to get married and leave him because she bears the burden. Also, he denined a rich man from marrying masha because he wasn't holy. This shows that the father has very religious values. People of the old world had many different religious values because this was a time that different ethnicities came to America and everyone differnt religions.
One major thing that makes the Old world and new world seem different that is showed in bread givers is that in the old world, people got married because of money. they used dowries and often were interested in marrying wealthy people who they had never even met before or did not know well. In a way, they saw it as more of an ecomnomic thing that was neccesary back than. This does not happen anymore. Back at the time when the Breadgivers is set, people did not have the same individuality and so therefore did not choose who they married.
There are a couple of differences from the novel between the old world and the New- between tradition and individuality. An example would be for instance that in the early 1900s it was tradition to consent to your father and ask for his permission when you wanted to marry a person. Also in the early 1900s women had no individuality and were only supposed to listen to their family’s decision and opinion and were limited to decision-making, as evident in “Bread Givers.” When Mashah had chosen to marry Jacob, a piano-player her father had subjected against her idea because he stated that anyone who played the piano during the Sabbath was a fool. Instead, he later brought a diamond dealer into their house for her to be engaged with. This shows that in the Old world women were supposed to marry for reasons such as money, relationships, and tradition instead of affection. Also when they had married they lost their rights and independence. A difference in there value systems is that the money and business was one of the reasons why people married. People married other people for reasons such as making the family rich and wealthy, instead of reasons such as love.
In the book the people from the old world have very different values from the people in the new world. In the old world religion is very important, not as much in the new world. Today you are lucky if you can get people to go to suncay church service once a week. Another important thing is marriage, the family used to decide who a girl or boy married by arranging it for them. Now they get married much older, and decide who they marry themselves. If this idea was presented int he time the book is talking about the father might have a heart attack. But as time goes on values and morals change.
I fell like now a days tradition is not nearly as important as it use to be. Back then people got picked to marry each pther by there own parents which isn't very fun because you never got to choose the one you ha dloved like in the novel the bread givers. Now in our generation more people in fact almost everyone marries the one they love and dont have there parents choose for them. And alot of it had to do with religion back then. Now people are much more loosely wich how religion works. I dont belive at least in the United States people get to pick and choose who they are going to spend the rest of there life with. Which makes people more happy even though the devorce rate had gone up. I still dont belive that people like to have there parents choose who they marry. You parents may have something to say about it but in the end you choose.
A lot has changed over the years whether we like it (or our parents like it) or not. However we can look at it in the persective of, technology has been modifyed, medicines have been improved but the way we have gone throughout our daily lives has changed but not nessesarily for the better. Life if more complicated now then it was 100, 50 even 20 years ago. Years ago your life was chosen for you, there were no tough choices to make your parents chose them for you. Now I dont necessarily think it is a change of parenting but a change of the amount of responsibility that has been given to the people, especially children like Sara and her siblings. I think that our country is getting used to the idea of have tones of responsibility placed on us. it might take a few years but I believe that soon, with time, things will take a turn for the better.
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